Joyce Donohoe
Manager, Learning & Development
Emirates Airlines
Project Title
Serve Over and Above the Rest (SOAR)
"Introducing the Kirkpatrick Partnership Model into our business and ensuring that it is successfully implemented has been one of the most satisfying experiences in my career to date. It is very motivating for the entire team to be able to provide tangible evidence of the contribution that Emirates Group Learning and Development makes in achieving our business goals."
David Dewhurst
Organisational Improvement Specialist
GMD Partnerships Ltd.
Project Title
Our Approach to Winning the Hearts, Heads, and Minds of Leaders in the Mining Industry
"Applying the Kirkpatrick Model has enabled us to create and demonstrate value for our business partners – its robustness has helped us to build trust and credibility, the critical components in any partnership."
Linda Hainlen
Director of Business Development
Sedona Learning Solutions
Project Title
Medication Administration
"Implementing the Kirkpatrick Business Partnership Model supported by the Kirkpatrick levels has truly elevated my department from training providers to business partners! The experience has really changed my team’s mindset and approach to projects--we now focus on learning outcomes and business results vs. learning events. It is very rewarding to have evidence of your contribution."
Robert Havlicek
Chief U.S. Army Engineer, School Quality Assurance Element
U.S. Army, Maneuver Support Center of Excellence, Quality Assurance Office
Project Title
Army Reserve Accreditations
"To adjust/improve training, it is critical for learning institutions to obtain level four results."
Mark Harris
Business Improvement Specialist
GMD Partnerships Ltd.
Project Title
Our Approach to Winning the Hearts, Heads, and Minds of Leaders in the Mining Industry
"Applying the Kirkpatrick Model has enabled us to create and demonstrate value for our business partners – it’s robustness has helped us to build trust and credibility, the critical components in any partnership."
Linda K. Webb
Chief Learning Officer
Training & Beyond, LLC
"I have worked exclusively with Jim and Wendy to produce very successful training programs for field maintenance employees from counties, cities, and state to produce improved highways throughout Missouri. With their expertise and guidance, I was and (still am) able to bring partners on board to support the training programs and produce the desired results needed to reach the organization’s goals."
Charles Wilhelm
Evaluator
U.S. Army, Maneuver Support Center of Excellence, Quality Assurance Office
Project Title
Army Reserve Accreditations
"Tremendous experience! I have broadened my evaluation skills on how to gather L4 results for our stakeholders."
George S. Case
Training Analyst
Project Title
Army Learning Model
"The four levels evaluation program has really helped us get our program heading in the right direction ahead of schedule. Our Instructors fully understand the New Learning Model and are actively seeking new teaching methods."
Aimee Norwood
Learning Strategist and Technologist
Booz Allen Hamilton
Project Title
HHS Office of the National Coordinator (ONC)
Regional Extension Centers (RECs) Training Project
"This experience has been a long journey with a very supportive community of Kirkpatrick practitioners who have shared lessons learned and strategies to enable others' success. Thank you for that."
Billy R. McLeod, Jr.
Program Manager/Law Enforcement Specialist
Project Title
Return on Expectation for Federal Law Enforcement
Aaron Monson
Chief, Training Development and Evaluation Branch
USA Prime Power School
Project Title
Army Learning Model Initiatives
"The Kirkpatrick 4 Levels Evaluation program helped us focus our training requirements on measurable behaviors exhibited by job holders in the field, and not just on Learning Objectives for students in the classroom. Dr. Kirkpatrick provided guidance and feedback for several months as we worked our Silver and Gold level project. Real-world application and continued support makes the Kirkpatrick 4 levels certification program superior to attending a one-time training event or conference. I highly recommend this program to all training professionals."
Daniel Rubin
Training Specialist
Baltimore Gas and Electric
Gail Foster-Bohm
Learning and Development Consultant
GFB Learning and Development
Project Title
National Coaching Program -- IHC New Zealand Inc
"Working alongside those who attended the Coaching Program was a great experience. I was impressed with the way busy managers embraced the learning. I personally learned so much from being a part of the process and was challenged by the work required to complete my Silver Certification. That said, I now have a new level of understanding and knowledge that I take with me when working with other business leaders and organizations. Thank you Jim and Wendy for the opportunity, and a special thanks to David Dewhurst and Mark Harris from GMD Partnerships."
Gerald Hill
Course Manager / Instructor / Writer
Staff and Faculty Development
Project Title
Army Learning Model Transformation
"Jim and Wendy really helped me maximize the impact and effectiveness of my courses for my customers. The Four Levels Certification Programs empowered me to reach out to my customers and their supervisors in order to determine their Return on Expectations. This, in turn, increased “Buy-In” from the training community not only for my courses but the Army Learning Model 2015 as well.”
Gerald W. Jones II
Associate
Booz Allen Hamilton
Project Title
Applications in Critical Thinking Training Course
"Successfully implementing the four-levels approach to plan, execute, and evaluate my team’s training program was fun, exciting, and immensely rewarding. However, getting the opportunity to share my story with peers who are working their way up the same mountain is fulfilling on an entirely different level. I can’t wait to meet, share, and grow with more members of our growing Kirkpatrick community!"
Jacob Kluch
Corporate Training and Performance Improvement Manager
Project Title
Training Effectiveness Evaluation Worksheet (TEEW) Realignment for Nuclear Generating Fleet
"At the ASTD ICE 2012 Kirkpatrick Partners presentation, I finally understood 'monitor and adjust' as a key component we had been missing. I told my boss we had to delay our process revision until I could incorporate 'monitor and adjust' into our process; that made all the difference for implementation."
Jennifer Hentz
Talent Development Manager
Booz Allen Hamilton
Project Title
Cyber University
Jerry Brannen
Systems Analyst
Christiana Care Health System
Project Title
Moving Healthcare Learning from Self-Prescribed to Business PartnershipKeith Davis
Lead Associate
Booz Allen Hamilton
Project Title
Instructional Design Presentation
"The Four Levels Evaluation has been fused with instructional design methodologies that meet the needs of my client. Through rapid prototyping and the Successive Approximation Model of instructional design, I am able to use the Four Levels Evaluation to deliver targeted feedback that drives future requirements."
Kevin Hairston
Training Group Evaluation Chief
Project Title
Defense Language Institute English Language Center Security Cooperation Assessment
"Old ways fail to open new doors."
Leslie Vasquez
Associate
Booz Allen Hamilton
Project Title
REC Training Project
Lynetta Powell
Instructional Systems Specialist
Department of the Army
Project Title
Kirkpatrick Levels of Evaluation and the Army Learning Model
Marion Dakin
Trainer and Coach
Marion Dakin Associates Ltd
Project Title
Competency-Based Approach for a Learning and Development Framework Related to Safeguarding Adults from Potential Abuse (Health and Social Care)
"This programme has supported me to have the confidence to get customers to move from a list of training needs to helping them explore what contribution can learning and development make to their organizational goals. Inevitably some customers then change their needs and solutions. However, I'd rather be doing the right thing for an organization as a partnership approach, than a training solution just because "that's what we've always done." Kirkpatrick's model is more than evaluation; it's about 'project management' and recognizing the contribution of learning and development to organizational goals and outcomes."
Pamela Marshall
Lead Associate
Booz Allen Hamilton
Project Title
Metro DC ASTD Chapter Career Services Portfolio
Deanna Gill
Senior Advisor, Leadership Development & Transformational Change Initiatives
Dream Master Enterprises Inc.
Project Title
Action Learning National Roll Out, PwC
"I have utilized the Kirkpatrick methodology to design, deliver, and evaluate more effectively and engage in meaningful strategic conversations with business leaders, which has increased the value of my role and contribution entirely. The tools and framework offered by Kirkpatrick truly set up any initiative for success, as the focus is on the business impact and results and how to monitor progress along the way - offering a simple and effective progress monitoring tool."
C. Brandon Huff
Manager, Learning & Performance
Nationwide Insurance
Project Title
Onboarding New Associates: Using Kirkpatrick to Demonstrate Results
"Jim and Wendy bring a depth and breadth of knowledge that is unparalleled in the learning and performance field. Working with them has allowed me to hone my skills in applying the Kirkpatrick evaluation methodology in order to help my organization reap the rewards of the process."
Linn Steer
Academy Director
Getinge Group
Project Title
Sales Graduate Program Pilot
"I have learned a lot during this journey towards the top of the mountain. It is extremely rewarding to be able to share my knowledge and experience with others and seeing that training effectiveness light being switched on. Although we still have a long way until we are an organization truly focused on Levels 3 and 4, we have shown we know what it takes and that we can do it!"
Marsha Denton
Learning Evaluation Team Lead
Project Title
Enterprise Client Onboarding to Learning Evaluation Community
Diederick Stoel
CEO
ProfitWise International
Jonathan Pottiez
Senior Consultant
Formaeva
Project Title
Agile Software Engineering Program
"This gold certification was an opportunity for me to share with my peers some of the best practices implemented during the silver certification program. In 2013, I published a book on training evaluation which talked, of course, about Kirkpatrick. Today, I am proud to be a Kirkpatrick Gold Level Certified Professional and part of this beautiful community that wants to change the world of learning and development."
Sarah K. Dunn
Evaluation Specialist and Trusted Agent
Project Title
Evaluation Proposal for Training Programs
Charmaine Rodrigues
Leadership & Talent Partner
Emirates
Project Title
Mentoring Colleagues on Their BP Projects
Parizad Katyal
Learning and Development Manager
Emirates Airline
Project Title
SOAR (Service Over and Above the Rest)
"Since the time I've been using the Kirkpatrick Model for evaluation, I can't seem to do things any differently! It is a truly rewarding experience to be able to work in close partnership with the business and show them tangible evidence about the value that Learning & Development has added. I would highly recommend this model to everyone who is in the field of Learning & Development."
Moza Juma Abdulla Ahli
Head of Training Curriculum Section
Dubai Police General Head Quarter
Project Title
Traffic Violation Issuance & Legal Adaptation of its Provisions
Kyran Newell
Director
Organisation Development Institute, New Zealand
Project Title
Proving Training Value - A Case Study
"Both the research across 138 past programmes and the analysis of data lead to significant changes in our programmes, design and delivery, valued outcomes for us and for our clients. The process validated the Kirkpatrick approach to us."
Nicky Trainor
Director
Organisation Development Institute, New Zealand
Project Title
Proving Training Value - A Case Study
Melanie Martinelli
Director OD Solutions
C2C Organizational Development Pvt. Ltd
Project Title
Training Effectiveness: How to Turn This Bane Into a Boon (ATD International Conference & Exposition 2017)
"Remember the principle of usefulness and credibility. With that in mind, it becomes so much easier to plan and execute your evaluation plan. Also, what really helped us is to think beyond the typical evaluation methods and get creative."
Donna C. Wilson
Curriculum Manager
ASRC Federal Data Solutions
Project Title
NASA Academy of Program / Project and Engineering Leadership Course Impact Study
Ramien R. Pierre
Systems Engineering Curriculum Lead
ASRC Federal Data Solutions
Project Title
NASA Academy of Program / Project and Engineering Leadership Course Impact Study
Anna Nystrom
Learning Expert
Volvo Group University
Project Title
Electrical Safety for Managers
Elizabeth B. Gusmati
Lead Associate
Booz Allen Hamilton
David Matthews
Lead Associate
Booz Allen Hamilton
Project Title
Using Kirkpatrick's Four Levels to Enable Rapid Prototyping / Successive Approximation
Eduardo S. Rodela, Ph.D., MSW
Senior Consultant
Rodela and Associates Consulting, LLC
Preethi Rao
Head Learning Effectiveness
C2C Organization Development Pvt. Ltd.
Project Title
Training Effectiveness – How to make this bane into a boon
"Have loved every stage of the journey. The learning has been immense and understanding how the whole evaluation strategy can be based on sound common sense has really helped put things in perspective for me."
John Scott Smith
Leader Development and Education Analyst
US Army Cyber School
Project Title
Cyber School Faculty Development Workshop
"Kirkpatrick Four Levels was instrumental in helping me take a much broader view of organizational training and understand the real importance of Return on Expectations (ROE), required drivers, and leading indicators."
Keith Donahoe
COL. U.S. Army Retired
"The New World Kirkpatrick Model provides a vital tool to ensure that training remains relevant and contributes to the effectiveness of an organization."
Je Pil Jeon, PhD
President
InnoTraining Inc.
Project Title
A Study on The New World KirkpatrickⓇ Model and Best Practices of Applying
Je Pil Jeon, Ph.D., is President and Founder of lnnnoTraining, one of the Certified Kirkpatrick Affiliates and an official partner of PROMOTE International. Using his 18 years of OD/HR Consulting and Labor Attorney experience, he consults and facilitates for organizations in Korea and east Asia.
Christopher E. Kline
Instructional System Specialist
Project Title: Foundations of Mission Support Training (FMST)
Kevin Magee
SELDP Project Manager
Project Title: NASA's Systems Engineering Leadership Program (SELDP)
Deborah M. Tucker
Director of Training
Strength Maintenance Training Center
Project Title: ARNG Unit Retention NCO Course
Luc Vandenboomgaerde
Learning and Performance Advisor
"How to generate and use constructive feedback during the evaluation process of training"
Michelle Anderson
Corporate Learning Leader
Project Title
Sales Guiding Principles
Sean M. Burns
Keith Smail
Training Development Element Chief
Dr. Don Williams
Training Evaluator
782d Training Group, Evaluations Section, Dept. of the Air Force
Project Title
Reduction of STARS-FD Documentation Errors
"The difference between stumbling blocks and stepping stones is how you use them."
Gene Strouth
Chief, Evaluations
782d Training Group, Evaluations Section, Dept. of the Air Force
Project Title
Reduction of STARS-FD Documentation Errors Program
"A worthwhile trip up the mountain."
Jeffrey Schaefer
Senior Policy Analyst
Systems Planning and Analysis, Inc.
Project Title
Defense Acquisition University, Defense Systems Management College (DAU DSMC)
Key Leadership Development Program (KLDP)
Gary G. Stevenson
Retired, USAF Civil Service
Project Title
Reduction of STARS-FD Documentation Errors Program
"You do not have to solve world peace. Take something meaningful at your level."
AJ Murch
Program Manager
Systems Planning and Analysis, Inc.
Project Title
Defense Acquisition University Key Leadership Development Program (KLDP) Learning Effectiveness Evaluation
"Applying the Kirkpatrick Model to the KLDP program provided the structure to clearly show the impact that KLDP had on the learners and their parent organizations."
Britta Börjeson
Learning Expert
Volvo Group University
Project Title
Electrical Safety for Managers
"The Silver and Gold certification experience is very valuable for Volvo Group University. It adds credibility to our evaluation strategy and approach towards the Volvo Group business."
Aaron Haefele 
Director, Training
MTM Inc.
Project Title
Set it Best!
"Kirkpatrick training has helped take learning at MTM to the next level. Thank you Jim and Wendy for all your support."
Niklas Sperens
Sales Manager
Mindset
Project Title
Practical Leadership Program
"I'm proud to have received the ultimate acknowledgment of training evaluation, the Kirkpatrick Gold Level Certification. Thank you, Dr. Jim Kirkpatrick, for your willingness to share your profound knowledge in the training evaluation area. I have learned a lot relying on the Kirkpatrick Model whilst evaluating our leadership and sales training programs, proving that they work and showing the value created to our client's stakeholders. I would like to share 3 tips on how to create effective training programs.
1. Start with the end in mind. It's difficult to reach the goal if you don't know where you are headed.
2. Push for application. Value must be created before it can be demonstrated.
3. Support, follow up and follow through. Almost nothing happens by itself."
Jennifer Budveit
Principal, Talent Development
CA Technologies
Project Title
Creating and Executing a Holistic Measurement Strategy for Talent Development
"This certification process has been life-changing for me. It took an initial passion I developed for Measurement and Evaluation from studying the origins of the Kirkpatrick Model and developed it into a career focus that has helped me embark on the next chapter of my career journey. This process has helped me become a thought leader in this space with my colleagues and I am excited to bring this knowledge into the healthcare industry. I will forever be thankful to Dr. Jim Kirkpatrick, Wendy Kirkpatrick, and the entire Kirkpatrick Partners staff for their support, collaboration, coaching, and partnership throughout this journey from bronze, to silver, and now to Gold!"
Allwyn Dsilva
General Manager, Human Resources
Tata Communications Ltd
Project Title
Project Phoenix
Dorothy B. Parnian
Curriculum Management and Design Specialist
Project Title
Operations Academy Senior Management Program
The Kirkpatrick Four Levels Certification Program—from Bronze through Gold—reignited my passion for learning and performance. I am now spending most of my time working on performance evaluation and business partnership discussions with our program stakeholders. I am no longer an “order taker.” Thank you, Jim & Wendy!
"The Kirkpatrick Bronze and Silver Certifications are primarily what got me hired at my current job. We are implementing program evaluations across the institution and my experience in the program, as well as the resources provided by Jim and Wendy, continue to be invaluable!" - Dorothy B. Parnian
Charles J Beckmann
Language Program Manager
Project Title
Language Proficiency Professionalization Program
"The Kirkpatrick Model has reinvigorated our approach to language training for government employees. With a new focus on behavior and results, we are seeing more effective and relevant training curriculum for our language professionals."
Tyrone Theriot
Department Chair, Engineering and Technology
Defense Acquisition University
Project Title
Presentation to the Defense Institute for Security Cooperation Studies (DISCS, https://www.discs.dsca.mil ) regarding DAU's training program to include our evaluation process and a review of my recent project - Digital Engineering/LEGO version of ENG 202 (Kirkpatrick Silver project). Sharing best practices to assist with their transformation in conducting training.
Chris Rader
Deputy Director, US Army, HQ TRADOC Quality Assurance Office
Project Title
Enterprise Evaluation Survey Process and Model
"I use what I learned from the Kirkpatrick New World Model in almost everything I do now!"
Dr. John Plifka
Director, Army Quality Assurance Program
Project Title
Headquarters U.S. Army Training and Doctrine Command (TRADOC)
"The Kirkpatrick principles are essential to maximizing the transfer of learning to behavior and subsequent organizational results as well as to demonstrate the value of training to the organization; unquestionably critical for any world-class institution!”
Cindy Langanki
Global Curriculum Development Manager
Project Title
Medtronic New Product Launches
"Implementing the Kirkpatrick model and sharing my learnings with others has been a rewarding experience. I am excited to be able to help others achieve the same success my team did. Wonderful to see trainers inspired by their organizational missions."
Kelly Stuart
Best Practice Manager
FMG
Project Title
Claims New Way of Working
Carita McCabe
Learning and Development Consultant
Project Title
Claims New Way of Working
Madison Mellish
Learning Specialist II
Encompass LLC
Maha Al Khatib
L&D Advisor
Project title
The Elephant in the Room: Building performance consulting culture and approach within Learning & Development when implementing the New World Kirkpatrick Model.
"A true learning journey during which I learned how to use the New World Kirkpatrick model from the Bronze program, used the Business Partnership approach to build bridges with the managers, employees & stakeholders, and address real performance issues. The Silver program helped put the learning in real-life practice, and finally Gold helped me share key learned lessons with colleagues who are eager to make a real difference in their organizations. "
Gloria Vizcaino
Paralegal Specialist
Project Title
Office of Chief Counsel – Portfolio
"My experience when I presented my PowerPoint was very exciting. Jim is such a caring person. Additionally, the attendees were highly engaged. I was presenting about a system that no one else uses. So I was worried they wouldn’t relate. But the presentation was well received. Jim is absolutely the best. Shout out to Donna and Tammi for being so helpful. You picked a great team!"
Keith Kulman
Instructional Systems Specialist
Program Title
Training Acadamy
"The training received enabled me to determine the real value of my training program."
Melora Sundt
Chief Academic Officer
Noodle Partners
Project Title
Team leader training as part of FDA/CDER’s
Kathy Hanson, Ed.D.
Vice President, Teaching and Learning
Noodle Partners
Project Title
Implementing Data-driven learning at the Organization Level
"The Kirkpatrick New World Model is the foundation upon which all of our learning design is based. The model provides the critical framework necessary to measure results in knowledge and changes in behavior. The Kirkpatrick evaluation model has enabled our organization to create meaningful continuous improvement plans with metrics that truly matter."
Timothy Todd Lowery
Quality Assurance Evaluator
Project title
Quality Assurance Office Redesign
"I thoroughly enjoyed all three levels of Certification from Bronze-Silver-Gold. I feel better about looking at something holistically by myself than I ever have before. A new level of confidence. Thanks, Jim for your “style!”
Kimberly Brush
NASA Langley Office of STEM Engagement Director
NASA
Project Title
Integration: Increasing Collaboration Between the Office of Education and NASA’s Mission Directorates
"Thanks to Kirkpatrick, we were able to not only improve on the job training but also expand our reach and presence across our organization and beyond."
Charles (Charlie) Beard
Instructional Systems Specialist
Defense Contract Audit Agency / Defense Contract Audit Institute
Project Title
DCAA Coaching Program
"The Silver and Gold Level Certification programs prepare you to plan, analyze, and execute a qualitative and quantitative data-driven (blended evaluation approach) evaluation program. The strongest component of the program is using methodology where data is collected from multiple sources using multiple methods, which increase accuracy through the use of the New World Kirkpatrick Model."
Dr. Haywood V. West
Education and Training Specialist
Defense Contract Audit Agency (DCAA)
Project Title
Evaluation of the Defense Contract Audit Institutes Coaching Program
"Using The New World Kirkpatrick’s Model aided my team in establishing a framework for sustained performance improvement across all of our Talent Development and Training Programs."
Rory O'Brien
Chief, Program Evaluation Office
Maneuver Center of Excellence
Project Title
Infantry OSUT transformation
Dr. Tammy Bankus
Director, MCoE Quality Assurance
Department of the Army
Project Title
Applying the Kirkpatrick Model to the Evaluation of Army Quality Assurance Training and Education
Jennifer Sizemore
NASA APPEL Training and Support Manager
Ileana M. Fernandez de Paula
Education Program Coordinator
Department of State, Foreign Service Institute
Project Title
Drive Continuous Improvement with New World Kirkpatrick Evaluation and Data Visualization
"The Kirkpatrick Model is the telltale that guides our journey towards excellence in the delivery and outcome of training and development programs. The Model’s Four Levels set standards and provide the structure for our evaluation efforts. Kirkpatrick helps us navigate critical junctures, informs design decisions, and marks the path forward. Kirkpatrick makes our continuous improvement drive a reality"
Edwin Giovanni Vizcardo Lazo
Educator
Project Title
Drive Continuous Improvement with New World Kirkpatrick Evaluation and Data
Visualization
"Fantastic e illustrative presentation on the possibilities with the Kirkpatrick Model"
"Real and meaningful support from everyone at the KP. Even from Jim himself!"
Dr. Tammy Bankus
Director, MCoE Quality Assurance
Department of the Army
Project Title
Applying the Kirkpatrick Model to the Evaluation of Army Quality Assurance Training and Education
Donald R. Nemetz
Financial Administrations & Program Specialist & Course Manager/Training Instructor
Recourse Management Training Center
Project Title
Integrating AEAS into Daily Operations
John W. Mayo
Quality Assurance Evaluator
Quality Assurance Office, National Guard Professional Education Center
Project Title
Quality Assurance Army Enterprise Accreditation Standards Training Program
John M. Tucker
Quality Assurance Evalulator
National Guard Professional Education Center
Project Title
Army Enterprise Accreditation Standards Integration Training Program
Heather Compton
Learning and Capability Manager
Project Title
Retail Sales Training Programme Evaluation
"Understanding and applying Kirkpatrick’s Four Level Model has been rewarding both professionally and personally. In my role it has enabled me to become an influencer in my organisation, with increased credibility. Speaking the language of the business and understanding their desired results has helped me to collaborate with business owners to design a training programme that delivers a return on expectation. Personally, Kirkpatrick model was like finding the missing piece of a puzzle, being able to demonstrate an impact that links learning to behaviour change. Above all, I have discovered that the right on-the-job learning can change organisations in so many ways from increased engagement and performance to revitalised culture and customer satisfaction."
"I would recommend Kirkpatrick's Four Levels Certification Programme to any L&D professional. When you start with the end in mind, the way forward becomes clear. Bronze certification helped
me to plan and start the execution with the business and the learner in mind. Silver certification helped me to measure, analyse, monitor, question, adjust and report – key techniques in showing a return on expectation."
Edward Boon
Instructional Design Consultant
Promote International
Project Title
Business Skills for Project Managers
"My Bronze certification gave me a solid foundation but it was Silver and Gold that gave me the hands on practice that I need to truly grasp the KP principles"
"Anyone claiming to be a learning and development professional should certainly invest the KP certification"
Myung-Ae Lee
President and Co-founder
InnoTraining Inc.
Project Title
The New Kirkpatrick 4 Levels Evaluation Journeys' Clips
"InnoTraining continues to work steady to illuminate the vision and light of Kirkpatricks. It is an honor for me to do such a thing with our team in South Korea and I always thank very much for Jim and Wendy."